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Interesting to read this Andy, and I thank you for it. I have been thinking for a long time of writing a piece about why I became Orthodox, but I held back for the same reasons as you: I don't especially want to be arguing with my fellow Christians. It is hard to explain why you do a thing without sounding like you are attacking those who do otherwise.

Still - since you have written this, it gives me a chance to offer a personal Orthodox perspective. It is only mine, and I have only been Orthodox for five years, so take it as it is offered, in a spirit of brotherhood. I hope we would all like to see this schism healed one day. If God wills it, it shall be so!

Anyway, let me make a few points:

- Firstly, as other commenters have pointed out, you misunderstand the issue about which churches are 'in communion' with others, and what that means. You are presenting Orthodoxy as a squabbling nest of micro churches all arguing with each other and refusing communion to others, and this is not the case. There are (usually political) disagreements between some of the patriarchates, but the fact is that I can walk into any Orthodox church today and hear the same liturgy being sung. It will be sung in different languages, but it will be older by far than anything the Roman Church is offering; it has not changed in essence for over a thousand years. This is important.

- Secondly, Christians today make up over 30% of the world's population, while Muslims make up 25%.

- Thirdly, numbers are irrelevant anyway. Truth is what matters, and where we think we find it. Christ tells us more than once that few people will find the true Way. Bums on pews is not a measure of truth.

- Fourthly, please bear in mind that the Orthodox church has never taught that Catholics are all damned or any such nonsense like that, or indeed that their sacraments are in themselves invalid. The Roman branch of the church is regarded as a valid part of the Christian communion which has fallen into error.

- Fifthly, it's worth digging into the claim about numbers and its implications. You seem to be arguing that because there are more Catholics than anyone else, we should all join up with Rome in order to achieve unity. Leave aside for a minute the question of whether unity matters more than truth, and look at the history.

The fact of the matter is that it was the Roman branch of the church (which is not 'catholic', ie 'universal'; there is no church that can make that claim today) which slapped the decree of excommunication down on the altar of Hagia Sophia during the Divine Liturgy one day in 1054. That is to say, it is the Roman Church which chose schism.

The Orthodox perspective on this is worth understanding, even if you don't agree with it. The Orthodox churches believe that one branch of the universal church - the Roman patriarchate - made indefensible power claims that the other churches could not support, broke with the agreed teaching of the first seven ecumenical councils (eg, on the filioque) and then went its own way. Since then, it has introduced any number of innovations, from Papal infallibility to the assumption and the immaculate conception, to the existence of purgatory, and to an Augustinian understanding of inherited sin.

All of this, combined with the vast accretion of political power to the Papacy, has itself precipitated endless schisms within the West. At one point there were two popes in competition with each other, endless heresies proliferated throughout the middle ages, and ultimately the Reformers broke with the Papacy over many of the same claims that offended the Orthodox. The Orthodox east sees the Roman-Protestant split as a quarrel within the Western Church. Take that claim seriously and we see that the Roman church is responsible for and endless proliferation of tens of thousands of churches worldwide.

All of this is leaving aside the fundamental differences in worldview - phronema - between east and west, especially over the nature of God. They are substantial enough that I found myself going east. This was not just because I reject the power claims of the Bishop of Rome, but also because when I sought mystical prayer, an unchanged liturgy and a church which does not give any of its bishops the power to change it at will, I found it in Orthodoxy.

Well, it looks like I just wrote that piece after all.

I offer this in a spirit of brotherhood. I don't claim for a moment that the Orthodox churches do not have plenty of serious problems, and I certainly don't claim either that Western churches contain no truth, beauty or wisdom. But this is how I understand matters.

Love to you and Keturah,

Paul

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Chris Roberts's avatar

Just wanted to vote “yes, please publish the reversion story.”

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